13 August 2008 — Posted by Allan Odgaard
ProjectPlus
There is a plug-in from Ciarán Walsh called ProjectPlus. It does SCM badgets (Git and SVN), Finder (color) labels, preserves project state between sessions, and lots more.
There is a plug-in from Ciarán Walsh called ProjectPlus. It does SCM badgets (Git and SVN), Finder (color) labels, preserves project state between sessions, and lots more.
13 Aug 2008 | # Ian Beck wrote…
I’ve been using ProjecPlus for a couple days, and I have to warn folks that it has a few bugs still. When it works, it’s great. The subversion icons, pane-based project listing, etc. is all really nice.
However, I’ll often open old TextMate projects only to have them show up with no project drawer, no project pane, and a close button that won’t work. I have to quit TextMate and restart it before the project shows up modified by ProjectPlus. Haven’t tested this thoroughly to see what causes it, but wanted to leave an FYI. Otherwise a great plugin.
13 Aug 2008 | # ice crums - ProjectPlus wrote…
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13 Aug 2008 | # Alex Payne wrote…
LIke Ian above, I’ve noticed some instability in TextMate when running ProjectPlus. Tabs behave oddly, the Git support doesn’t seem to work despite setting the necessary environment variables, and projects with many nested folders cause TextMate to be slow or to crash.
14 Aug 2008 | # James Andrews wrote…
It’s a nice set of enhancements to Textmate, both functionally and visually (I’m using it along with Thomas Aylott’s subtleGradient Leopard Dark 2 GUI Replacement).
However, I’ve also been having some problems since installing Project Plus yesterday. As with Alex, git support doesn’t work for me and Textmate seems less responsive.
Unfortunatekly the main issues I’m experiencing are a bit more serious and occur after I’ve been using Textmate for a while. These include: certain keybindings stop working (such as the left bracket in html/rails erb templates and toggle comment [Cmd-/]), saving starts to require authentication but still doesn’t save and Textmate refuses to quit. Force quitting and restarting Textmate temporarily fixes these issues.
15 Aug 2008 | # Ben wrote…
Haven’t had any of these issues yet. Just been loving it!
15 Aug 2008 | # Jonathan wrote…
I didn’t really notice any performance hits but I did happen to check activity monitor a few times. On average Textmate took about 25mb of memory on launch and 80-100mb after being open for quite a while with average use. With the plugin Textmate was taking about 50mb on launch and after similar usage was using about 800mb. It’s too bad, I liked having subversion status in my drawer and the ability to force it to always open on one side of the window, but I’ve pulled ProjectPlus out not worth chewing up that much more ram.
19 Aug 2008 | # Russell wrote…
The issue appears only when you launch Textmate by double clicking a project file. If Textmate is already running it works fine. Otherwise the project drawer is gone and the close button doesn’t work.
If you uninstall ProjectPlus it might seem like the project drawer is still broke, but that’s only because you have to choose to show it again. It reverts back to being hidden.
I hope the bugs get fixed. I really like it, but it’s kind of annoying, because I always launch Textmate by opening the project I’m working on directly.
01 Sep 2008 | # Ian Beck wrote…
Recent updates of ProjectPlus have fixed the lack of sidebar thing (although launching TM by opening a project file will still bypass ProjectPlus and land you with a drawer), but here’s another thing to note: if you’re using ExpanDrive with Textmate and ProjectPlus, you’ll need to turn off the SCM badges or things will get very, very slow.
07 Oct 2008 | # Gaël Deest wrote…
Oh no, another post about a third-party buggy plugin, and still nothing about version 2. But it’s not like us, paying customers, deserve more than a receipt!
Seriously, I can be very patient if justified, but the lack of information about this “free upgrade” that sounded almost impending 2 years ago is very frustrating. In my opinion, either the Textmate team is secretly preparing the next-generation editor, or Allan is joyfully spending our license fees with no release plan whatsoever.
When and if something happens, there will probably be a 6+-months beta testing phase. By my prevision we won’t see a stable Textmate 2 before 2009 Q2, more likely much later. By that time, I’ll certainly give my money to a company that DOES care about its customers.
08 Oct 2008 | # Sam Aaron wrote…
Gaël,
we, ‘paying customers’ paid for TextMate 1.x. For our money, we received TextMate 1.x. I believe that is more than just a receipt.
The fact that TextMate 2 has been advertised as a ‘free’ upgrade to most TextMate 1.x license owners does not give you any rights to be as forcefully demanding and disgruntled as you appear.
Also, TextMate is more than just an editor - it’s a whole community that’s very active and busy extending the application through its bundle mechanism. If you’re looking for exciting new features, perhaps you might want to get involved! :-)
08 Oct 2008 | # Gaël Deest wrote…
“Also, TextMate is more than just an editor - it’s a whole community that’s very active and busy extending the application through its bundle mechanism. If you’re looking for exciting new features, perhaps you might want to get involved! :-)”
I’m sorry, but some of us actually have a job and no time for that. A job which BTW requires professional and supported tools.
The fact that Textmate 2 was advertised as a free upgrade has nothing to do with my displeasure. I regret having put money into a product that is being abandoned by its author at version 1.
Allan Odgaard may have the legal right to drop the project, it doesn’t change the fact that the wonderful “community” that developed around it will be stuck to developing plugins for an aging software until the end of times, without the possibility to take the development over. And that is pretty rude of him, in my opinion.
10 Oct 2008 | # Paul McCann wrote…
What is rude Gaël is your ridiculous set of assumptions and conclusions about Allan is and is not doing. Stop making shit up!
To top that off you imply that the people doing the real work around TextMate have somehow been duped, like some dumb worker ants spending their lives preening and fattening up “queen” Allan. Do you think, perhaps, that people spending a lot of their spare time on this project just might have a better inkling about what’s happening than you have? Is that possible? Probable? Definite?
Sheesh, Paul
14 Oct 2008 | # Billigflüge wrote…
I gave it a try and have to agree with my pre-commenters. It looks nice, it would be great, if it worked. But it doesn´t. Too many bugs. Hopefully they´ll be fixes soon. In the meantime it´s a waste of time.
24 Oct 2008 | # Christoph Schiessl wrote…
@ Gaël It is probably true that Textmate 2 is overdue. Allan, has announced the next version of Textmate a long time ago and we don’t get a lot of information about the feature set or development process. I completely understand why you are upset.
That said, Textmate is to my knowledge still the best code editor for the Mac. As long as Allan’s competition doesn’t release a better product, there’s no need to rush. I prefer to get a stable version of Textmate 2 from day one instead of a crappy beta.
Take your time Allan!
28 Oct 2008 | # Martijn wrote…
Every time I look at this blog I’m hoping for Textmate 2.0 news.. big dissapointment. I wonder if it will become available before Duke Nukem Forever..
04 Nov 2008 | # Elliot Larson wrote…
I’m pretty satisfied with TextMate 1. I can’t say that I have any complaints, but TextMate 2 is way, way, way overdue. So, while I don’t have any issues with V1, I definitely feel some of the project abandonment vibe. I certainly don’t harbor any of the Gaël-style ill will, but I do think now-ish would be a good time for Allan to give the community an update on the status of V2.
04 Nov 2008 | # Sean wrote…
I use TextMate every day and love it, but I would definitely appreciate some news, or even better, a release date.
04 Nov 2008 | # Rich wrote…
This may fall on an unreceptive audience but, it needs to be said.
I’ve been a TextMate user since day one. I bought on Nov 5, 2004. That’s exactly 30 days after the release, so I bought as soon as the trial was up. I’m serial #381. I don’t think I can be described as simply a whining, impatient and disloyal customer. I’ve promoted TextMate at every opportunity I’ve had. That finally stopped last week.
I can’t, in good conscience, recommend a tool that may be dead in the water with glaring omissions. For example, four years ago I could ignore that lack of split views since I assumed they would be coming soon. After four years of development with no update in sight, this is ridiculous.
I now feel more comfortable recommending people take the time to learn Vim than start with TextMate.
Allan, I hope you make me look like a fool but, I won’t hold my breath.
04 Nov 2008 | # Michael wrote…
Just thought I’d add that I just bought TM today (Nov. 3, 208), and I couldn’t be happier with the purchase. I haven’t yet found something as powerful nor as inexpensive. I’m sure there are some things that would be nice to have, but even new apps (such as the forthcoming Espresso) lack some of the power and elegance of TM.
13 Nov 2008 | # Joshua wrote…
I would wager that if it weren’t for the ungrateful brats whining about lack of release, we would have more info.
People like you are ungrateful. He’s working on it. If he released it broken, you would do nothing but complain about that. When it’s ready, I’m sure he will release it. Given that NONE of you know anything of the state of v2, you have no place to talk.
13 Nov 2008 | # emb wrote…
“Given that NONE of you know anything of the state of v2″. if you read what they’re writing, that is exactly what they are complaining about.
14 Nov 2008 | # Elliot Larson wrote…
Jashua: I’m not sure I follow your logic. So, you’re saying if people just say nothing, more info would be made available? Doubt it. I’m also not sure I understand your point about releasing a broken V2. I don’t see anyone requesting a broken V2 so we can have V2 in a hurry. People just want an update on the status of V2. How does that make them “ungrateful”? I mean, certainly Gaël is being a little ungrateful, but I don’t think the rest of the people asking for an update could be accurately described as “whining brats”. Honestly, that’s an immature comment on your part (perhaps you’re just in a bad mood). It’s perfectly reasonable to want an update after 4 years. It’s a commercial product that people have a lot of time and energy invested in. People have the right to ask for an update if they want to (and Allan has the right to go on ignoring them if he wants to).
20 Nov 2008 | # Gaël wrote…
I am happy that my comments resulted in such a healthy debate. Now, I want to clarify my opinion.
I don’t think anyone of us has to be “grateful” for anything. Yes, Allan brought us a decent text editor years ago. But we paid for it. It was a win-win operation ; both parties went ahead because they found some gain in it. I, at least, didn’t get TextMate for free, and I don’t see any reason to be grateful to anyone for doing his job.
Now, one can be satisfied of a product, and recommend it to everyone looking for something similar. That is the only kind of “gratefulness” a software seller should seek. If he’s looking for affection, fame or pure gratefulness, he should give away his software for free. But if he’s selling it, his customers don’t owe him anything ; actually, it’s the opposite. Moreover, he should be prepared to be confronted to a much more demanding userbase than free (as in beer and speech) software users.
So yes, TextMate as a software is OK (really not more than that, despite the lack of competition) ; TextMate as product sucks.
Does any of you realize that TM hasn’t been upgraded for almost a full year now, without any status information ? This looks like a good reason to be angry to me.
23 Nov 2008 | # Tobias wrote…
It’s well worth worrying about TextMate’s status: Allan got lost before and it was David Hanson’s Get-Real-Kool-Aid that brought him back on track to finally release something.
Just my two cents.
25 Nov 2008 | # Reid Orsten wrote…
I’m license #781. I didn’t even get through the trial before I bought it. That 39 euros felt like a lot at the time, because I was in grad school, but I can really only dream of a world where all of my software investments paid off like TM has.
It’s entirely possible that Vim will be getting more attention again, because MacVim is turning out really well. But really, regardless of how long TM 2.0 takes, I’ll almost feel guilty at getting it for free after I’ve had so much use out of 1.x.
25 Nov 2008 | # Elliot Larson wrote…
Reid: I agree. I actually don’t think TM2 should be a free upgrade. The tool is very inexpensive, especialy when taking into account the amount of use people get out of it.
I’m afraid the promise of giving it away for free to TM1 owners is having a similar effect that rent control has. If keeping something up and improving it doesn’t result in commercial gain then there’s no return on investment (unless you can derive some personal satisfaction out of it). It seems silly to not charge for an upgrade. It removes a primary motivator and disincentivizes further development.
26 Nov 2008 | # Sean wrote…
@Elliot - Allan, consider charging for it! I’d rather pay for something than get nothing for free.
I’m sure that’s the problem — he has no incentive to finish it. I would much rather swallow a changed promise than never see TextMate 2.
26 Nov 2008 | # Antonin Hildebrand wrote…
I had a dream tonight. TextMate was an open source and the world was a better place to live.
29 Nov 2008 | # chemic wrote…
I had a dream that Textmate 2 came out, without getting pwnt! by Coda or Espresso guys.
30 Nov 2008 | # Alex wrote…
If you really think that textmate 2 should be paid for even if you have a 1 license, why don’t you start a chipin page so that people can put money towards it being finished?
I for one will put twenty euros down for 2, having bought a license for 1.